Yeah.

Yeah.

Everyone from Ted Robinson, who gave me, who I worked with in Hull, who was a promoter early on.

He used to put on loads of indie bands, so the likes of Kasabian and Arctic Monkeys and Hard-Fi and, you know, th- these bands just weren't regularly coming to Hull, and Ted started this night, put my band on that was at the time, but then also gave me a job, and I think that was quite formative, which even though I didn't realize it at the time, I just wanted to be a part of it.

But you're literally like, from everything from promoting a night, marketing the night, being the band liaison, you know, the whole logistics around putting the night on, running it, even to up to DJ-ing and, you know, all the kind of various parts, dealing with management, dealing with tour managers, dealing with sound engineers.

It was almost like a, a mini bit of the industry-

[laughs]

... for a whole other pod.