No, that was beautiful.

It was.

Because when you're meditating, what you're doing is you are listening to the empty space between your thoughts.

Right? There's all these thoughts.

It's like a congested highway with all this traffic in your head all the time.

And meditation is what lets you quiet that noise and tune into the wisdom of stillness.

Because I think the best ideas... whether they're in writing or just your life and your own path as a person, as a professional, whatever it is, the best ideas come from listening, not from thinking or analyzing information.

For someone in that mode, how would you simply say how they could go about tuning into that? And how would you describe actually intuition as opposed to just a vessel to spirit?

homogenize

well or whatever, you sort of lose connection with those, that indigenous heritage where mythology is rooted.

And now we're all just sort of living around the world.

And there's been a lot of just like, cross-pollination of cultures, which is great, but it leaves us without this unifying myth to bind this together as a society.

So I always talk about art as being a place to plant the seeds of new mythology.

Like, what are these unifying myths that we can plant in the collective consciousness today that can take root and grow into the values and the laws of a culture? There's a great quote from Plato in his book, The Republic, where he talked about the power of music.

And he said that, I'm going to paraphrase, but he said that the state should always...

It's a slippery slope.

Or in the, what is it? The Big Magic, I think Elizabeth Gilbert, right? Like following that thread or it'll find another avenue or outlet or something.

Yeah, I think it's possible.

I think it's a mystery where ideas come from.

They don't come from the conscious mind.

They don't come from the ego.

They're not like, I don't take ownership of my ideas.

Say I take ownership of the dedication I've had to my craft that allows me to...

If someone wants to tap into their voice or listen to their intuition, like, what do you suggest that they kick off with?

Mm.

And, and sort of, you know, why is it that men as a wh- category are, can be cut off from their emotions? And, you know, h- he shared some of his story with his, with his father, and I think that something that affects nearly all men in the world that maybe isn't talked about enough is the trauma of war.

There's so much generational trauma that gets passed down through war.

My father was, um, 18 years old.

He had just graduated high school when he was sent to Vietnam-

Mm.

And I, and I feel like, um, my experience, and I think that I've seen this mirrored in most men, is that we tend to be locked into this intellectual paradigm of how we view the world.

And the problem with that is that the, the, the intellect is so, it's so limited.