And the second thing I'm going to do is ask you, how did you get into the study of ancient history and classics and Byzantine history? And, I mean, let's go with history.

Well, the answer is not entirely to my credit.

In England, this is still the system.

We have to specialize at the age of 15 or 16.

So choose three subjects to do at what's called advanced level.

And when we got to that stage at school, I was being urged to do the sciences.

But I thought I had much better grounding in the humanities.

who are interested in maybe seeing that full talk, we have a recording on the Port-au-Vous website, because I just find that it's related to some of the things we've been talking about.