and uh so yeah we thought we'd let them sort of guide us around a bit and uh yeah i had my whole family over there i've got a wife and two daughters so they came as well and uh yeah we were getting towards the end of the trip when the incident happened um we were climbing on the beach at a place called dumb's kitchen that i'm sure a lot of your listeners have been to just to add some

scene to what george was saying but for any of your listeners who haven't climbed in thailand It very much is a, it's a climber's tropical paradise.

So you're climbing from the sand, from the white sandy beaches, turquoise waters.

It's a really cool vibe.

So a really great community of, yeah, of different people who use the cliffs in different ways.

So you've got slackliners, you've got base jumpers, lots of really, really good sport climbing all around.

which is very, very close to the main village.

you know,

Um, how do you, like, how have you gone around, uh, in, in helped people to understand, um, So that they can, you know, lean in, feel what you're feeling, what you've experienced, or what other partners and donors have been a part of.

Yeah, I mean, I think figuring out how to pull the need close is helpful, right? Because...

I mean, every person on earth, we have we have so much in common and so much that's different.

And those two things live right next to each other, the the the things in common and things in contrast.

And so focusing on the things that we can all relate to, you know, we so many of us have similar kinds of experiences in our life.

You know, we we have a family, you know, we have children or we are, you know.

We were working at something that is meaningful and, and, and being able to understand, Hey, what does this problem look like if it was in your life or even just what we have hope for? Like a lot of times we talk about, you know, I, I've got three daughters and I think about, you know, just the feeling of raising my kids and, what I had hoped for for them for the future and realizing if something as simple as clean water was keeping them from their dreams.

And in the middle of a task, I ain't paying attention to anything except for how do I get this thing? How So having that intentional time as a creative, as a business owner, as a dad, as a friend, whatever, so vital to, I think, to our thriving if we want to thrive.