But just to make sure that everybody understands, James, if you vote no, you get a tax cut, correct?

Yeah, in a way, in the sense that our taxes are slated to go down as of this moment right now because the bonds are going to be paid off here in 259.

So the question then is what happens when those taxes expire? If we vote yes on these questions, your taxes, they're not going to stay flat.

They are going up because our taxes are scheduled to go down.

KPI, I'm saying we're not taking a position on the actual bond issue.

Folks can make that decision for themselves.

but to go into it eyes wide open and say your taxes are scheduled to go down as of this moment and then these votes here in just a couple of weeks are going to increase your taxes because they're going to go from essentially zero to significantly more.

that's

all plucking that's it's only four dollars

four dollars coming out of her pocket not my pocket right and if that makes it harder for her to take her kids or grandkids to ha you know to get a happy meal or something like that that makes it harder for her to be able to provide for her family to be able to live the american dream and ultimately all of this is driven i think by two things here one achievement is just not what we want it to be, right? Between low-income and higher-income kids, not high-income kids, not low-income kids, that we have these just staggering achievement gaps between the outcomes of lower-income kiddos and their not low-income peers that are just quite staggering.

And it's not just

I mean, it's that simple.

Right, and where we're talking about these raises, and it's not...

People are delaying family formation.

They're having smaller families.

And Wichita, like countless other districts around the state, if not the country, are way overbuilt for what they need.

Uh, what are some examples of that?

So, you know, we've had a history in Kansas of school districts suing the state saying, "You're not spending enough money, um, on public education." And what they're essentially saying is, "Give us the money or the kids are gonna get it," because the threat is that we'll- they'll, they'll ask the courts to close schools.

And just, uh, what was it? Late spring, early summer, um, Olathe, Shawnee Mission, De Soto, uh, one other district that's escaping me at the moment, put out a what amounts to an RFP for legal representation saying, "We're gearing up to sue again," um, saying that the state is not spending enough money on public education.

And, you know, essentially holding that gun to the head of Kansas taxpayers.

Um, and nobody is opposed to having a quality education system.

Nobody's opposed to these things.

But it's a l- again, it's a little rich for them to say, "Just give us more money," when what they're doing is turning away kids who don't happen to live in the Olathe School District.

In the last couple of minutes here, James, what do you think all this looks like in five, 10, 15, 20 years? How dramatic will the changes be?