And they didn't want him discussing what specific aspect was it, you think? The-

The, well, the, the Air Force, you know ...

And it's funny, actually, because, I mean, I really stuck my teeth into this case.

Oh, my gosh.

I could go on for days.

But, uh ...

So, um, there was a movie that was gonna be made on it in 1965, and it was gonna be done by a guy named, uh, Dr. Frank Stranges with a particular studio that was in Hollywood.

You should.

So, for people who... you know aren't 100 don't spend all of their time in this community like we do and you set the stage a little bit for what brought us to the national press club in january in a and just a quick sort of way so people understand what happened

Yeah, if anybody wants to check it out, you can watch it for free.

I think News Nation did a live stream, so it's out there.

You can just Google James Fox National Press Club event, and I believe News Nation's got a full, I don't know, it's a couple hours or whatever.

I've been chasing down this story about an alleged UFO crash and American involvement that took place in 1996 in Virginia, Brazil for a long time.

and i've been working with a guy marco leal my counterpart in brazil he's like a brother to me um on it the whole time knocking on doors chasing witnesses down following leads in fact a huge lead came in 10 minutes ago um new crash witnesses two of them and um You know, there have been some very significant developments on that case since the film first came out in 2022.

I think it encouraged other people to come forward, to want to come forward, because we're taking it seriously.

Or to James Fox.

But what made you decide like after doing Moment of Contact, which is a specific case down in Brazil, what made you decide to come up and really go straight into DC and try to focus on the government angle more than anything with the UFP phenomenon? Yeah.

Well, I think it was kind of a natural progression when I did the phenomenon right there was some discussion of crash retrieval there was Roswell and there was hint sprinkled throughout a couple of hints, one of which was when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid admitted on camera during my sit down interview with him that what had been released.

the 2017 New York Times article revealing the secret Pentagon UFO program and some of the tapes that were walked out of the Pentagon was merely the tip of the iceberg, right? So that was a very profound and big significant statement by the former Senate Majority Leader.

I mean, he was a household name, right? So when I did Moment of Contact, that was, in my opinion, and I could be wrong, I think it may be a little bit ahead of its time because...

Why? Well, because I remember people calling me going, James, you just...

You have this unprecedented level of access with Intel folks.

Senator Harry Reid just publicly endorsed your movie that you... feature Close Encounters of the Third Kind in, you've really been pushing the envelope, you've got a level of acceptance and access that you're quite honestly gonna jeopardize by reporting on this alleged UFO crash case in Virginia, Brazil, where these live aliens are walking around the town being captured.

You know, so, I mean, were you thinking to yourself, holy shit? all these crash retrieval folklore all the way up to Men in Black, because this is before you did Moment of Contact, might actually be based on something real because of what guys like Harry Reid were telling you?

This is not an easy thing for these people to do, like Jeff, to come forward.

know there's generally speaking a lot to lose and nothing to gain for these people i mean obviously power in numbers you know jeff's been when waiting for the right time you know seeing the congressional hearings seeing the courage of some other military people coming forward i think um that's what we're trying to encourage but let me just back up a minute here because i think people have reached a tipping point with frustration in the sense that You're hearing these extraordinary claims and it's gone from, because I've been in this for over 30 years and traveled all around the world and establishing sightings that there's clearly something that's exhibiting an extraordinary technology.

It's been around for decades.

Possibly some could argue a lot longer than that.

Fly rings around our fastest jets.

We've gone from that, that global phenomenon to, Close encounters of the third kind, people claiming to see occupants.

And now we're talking about crash retrieval, right? That the government has been, you know, had this ongoing legacy crash retrieval program that they've had, that they've recovered craft and beings of non-human occupants, aliens, right? That's an extraordinary claim.

And if they have any other kind of data, they're not sharing, even with Arrow, according to Arrow.

What do you think the country needs to know about what happened in Brazil?

Well, there was an extraordinary development just a couple of weeks ago.

The former Brazilian Minister of Defense, Aldo Ribeiro, came forward.

He actually met with Jesse Michaels, but he came forward and he said, look, it happened.

And if the Americans would be willing to declassify, I'm sure that the Brazilians could follow suit.

So that's an extraordinary development.

Someone of his caliber, he's also running for president, and admission that Yeah, UFO crashed, live aliens were captured, and ultimately the Americans were involved.

What do you think we've learned most from these Department of War tranches of drops?

Mm-hmm.

And after that, uh, you know, that stunt, uh, I get a, a message from a gentleman who's contemplating coming forward but wants to do it anonymously.

Um, we met.

We went on and did the interview, and he, this individual revealed that there is a database of high-resolution 4K imagery of UAP coming down from space, coming in and out of the oceans, performing, exhibiting a technology that's just light years advanced from anything that we, that we have now or certainly, uh, you know, didn't, didn't have 80 years ago.

You know, the objects that don't have any wings, don't have any tail, uh, don't make any noise, no air disturbance, have the ability to hover, accelerate from a standstill out of sight in the blink of an eye.

Um, transmedium, go underwater, come out, right? So it's atmosphere- up in the atmosphere or up in space.

Um, and so he described, and he gave as much details as he could as to where these can be found for members of Congress, people that are looking for this type of, of, of data.

... what is the biggest thing people should pay a- attention to with the film, and where is this all heading as we go into 2025 with the UFO issue?

What has that done to the field of ufology?

It's so funny you should say that, because I was literally just looking at a photograph of myself with Stanton Friedman, gosh, uh, probably 2010, 2011.

Got invited to a conference in Brazil.

It was my first trip ever to Brazil.

And, um, I had a number of people for about a decade prior that were push- actually, more than that, probably 15 years, that were pushing me to investigate the infamous, now infamous, Varginha, uh, UFO crash incident, which took place in 1996 in Varginha, Brazil, on January 20th, or d- the month of January.

And I remember just the, you know, having the same f- feeling about this case, that it can't be therefore it isn't.

And I just, I just refused to look into it because I thought if a UFO did crash, and live entities were seen in broad daylight in the town of Brazil, this, of Varginha, Brazil, the whole world would have to know about it.

I'm glad that Dr. Hynek's son, Paul, has picked up the gauntlet and is, uh, coming to conferences and speaking.

This is what year?

1996.

So, uh- Just then, coming in the opposite direction that he drove up, military trucks, and they come down.

He was, he was threatened at gunpoint, told to leave.

There's a whole backstory on all the things that happened to him.

He came forward once, then he vanished for over 20 years.

So he's gone.

[laughs]

Sure.

'Cause this is important, very important.

I said, the argument we were making, and this is Leslie and myself, was, look, we understand the justification for secrecy on the technology.

Because whether you believe it or not, if, if it, if the allegations are true, and of course I'm convinced they are, that we have recovered highly advanced technology, uh, and of non-human origin, then if it falls into the wrong hands, that technology can be weaponized.

Um, you know, remember what Dave Fravor had talked about, you know, this Tic Tac, no wings, no visible means of propulsion, flew rings around our fastest, you know, jets.

Uh, you know, you put a, put a nuke on that, and, uh, it's, it's, it's game over for us, right? So you can imagine, like, if that's true, the justification for secrecy for ...

It's, it's a national security issue, right? So I was making this argument with Leslie w- when we were meeting with members of Congress.

It'll make you a believer if you're not, by the way.

It's something else, and that would be enough to s- you know, scare me

meUh, it, it typically does.

I mean, I mean, even people that are confronted with a, a lost loved one, in their estimation, they are, uh, ex- extremely subjected to their experience.

I mean, they, they usually are met with denial and disbelief that it even happened.

Um, and that's one of the reasons why they don't talk about it, because they don't have that concrete belief that it was real.

Like, they can't accept it.

And so it, it, it, not only does it...

They will withhold a very important piece of evidence so if they catch somebody, they'll know they caught the right guy or the right gal.

... who flat out states on camera, "I saw and interacted with this being." Wow, man.

No, it's, it's incredible, and you, you know, he was highly conflicted.

He's not an idiot.

He works on people's brains.

He plays piano like Mozart.

The guy is an incredible human being.

He's so interested in so many different aspects, historical, history, music, um, you know, and it just so happens he's a neurosurgeon.

Please share with us what he said the sheriff said.

I hear all of that, yeah.

The last couple years have been a whirlwind, and the problem is, every time I go to Brazil, and I've been there four times in the last twelve months, in, in a twelve-month period, we uncover so much more new a-additional information.

So it's, it's very hard to walk away from what many would consider, myself included, the most compelling, uh, you know, crash retrieval case involving non-human intelligence, uh, in modern history.

[lip smack] So, you know, um, I, I-- it's one thing to kind of, you know, watch a documentary and listen to the testimony, but y-y-when you're dealing with what could be the most significant first-hand eyewitness testimony in the history of the phenomenon, that would be Dr. Italo, the neurosurgeon, who claims to have had three to four minutes of face-to-face contact, limited l- limited communication with a live captured alien.

I mean, that's the first time in hi- we've never had that before.

And, um, with it comes, uh, uh, a lot of skepticism, and rightfully so.

I, I don't blame the audien- I don't blame the, the people out there like, "I need more proof." Uh, fair enough.

Yeah.

Jeff's a good guy.

Yep, Jeff's a great guy.

And Jeff goes, "Oh, James, you're going to Brazil." And again, this was like two thousand eleven, and I heard about it in the late nineties, so this is like at least twelve years laterI hear this, you know, oh, you're going to Brazil, James, you've got to look into that Varginha case in Brazil where the live aliens.

And I thought, oh, my Lord, not this.

I can't believe Jeff.

I have so much respect for him.

How could he possibly think this case is real? Like, but I had so much respect for him and I was so appreciative of all the help he'd given me over the years.

But go ahead.

Please do.

Well, like, y- I...

Okay, I'll just go into a little bit... 1964.

It was April 24th, 1964.

It was a police officer by the name of Lonnie Zamora.

He was in hot pursuit of a speeding car.

It was like...

[laughs]

Yeah.

Because I was talking about these various cases.

I was talking about Rua.

I talked about Varginha.

I talked about Socorro.

I said, "You know," and there was another guy from Air Force Office of Special Investigations.

I'm not supposed to mention his name, but I was like: "You guys know that ultimately you're gonna, you're gonna realize, if you haven't already, that a very small percentage of these things are of non-human origin." And John Kozlowski, "What are you gonna do? Is there a plan to disclose that to the general public? Like, what are you guys gonna do?" I said, "We're not going away.

So what are we seeing here in this clip of Dr. Italo?

Excellent.

Thank you so much, Congressman.

So my work is taking me around the world investigating some extraordinary allegations of UFO encounters, now referred to as UAP, Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena.

But what brings us here together today is what I consider, and many others, the most compelling case in modern history.

In January 1996 in Virginia, Brazil, Numerous witnesses reported a cigar-shaped object in distress, which ultimately crashed in a field in Maiolini Farm, just outside the city of Varginha, Brazil.

Several days later, on January 20th, three girls outside the city Ages 14, 16, and 21 came within a few steps of an otherworldly creature cowering in broad daylight against a wall in a vacant lot.

Over time, it was revealed that the Brazilian fire department and military police captured two non-human beings on that same day.

oh my god where is it who shot it

How did you get interested in all this? Were you a Star Trek fan or a Carl Sagan fan or what's your avenue?

It's really funny, actually, because this is why I respect skeptics, because I myself was the biggest skeptic.

And here I am, having delved into this, traveled around the world, met with witnesses, military, radar operators, fighter jet pilots.

I honestly feel like I have less of an understanding today of what's going on than I did over 30 years ago.

I really don't.

I really don't.

I know the phenomenon is real, but what are its origins and intent? I have the foggiest clue.

I think if we had something and he could tell us, he would tell us.

Mm-hmm.

Even with the community, "Oh, you're the UFO guy," or, "You're the one that sees aliens." You know, nobody wants that in their life.

It's not a career-enhancing move.

But we've been going after him for a while.

We thought we were gonna get him in the first cut of Moment of Contact, and, um, again, bar of soap in the bathtub.

And then ultimately, and he was like, "Okay, well, come to my house.

Oh, no, the, don't come to my house." And we had his address.

Yep.

Yeah,

exactly.

So from the air, you look at, you know, With the drone, you look at, all right, this is the military blockade here.

The girls had the encounter here.

Two blocks, three blocks away, this report of the second capture.

And that was two military police officers.

And it's so funny.

And Chris spoke with him recently too, yeah.

people

50 60 kids yeah yeah and um so it was a cylindrical shape object and apparently it had like a tear or a gash in the in the back side of it and it had a white vapor and they made the distinction the witnesses i spoke with they said look it wasn't like a smoke that you'd expect from an outdoor fire or something.

It was that blue smoke.

It was a white vapor.

It behaved differently.

And it was struggling to stay in the sky, and it was silent.

And two of the farmers that I interviewed, Orlina and Carlos Tafretas, I think it was.

What was it about Moment of Contact? Did you feel it was incomplete, that you wanted to go back and add more?

(laughs) Your reaction when you were learning that from him.

Oh, are you kidding me? I mean, I, so we went back to Brazil a number of times since the film came out because this is an ongoing investigation for me.

I've been at it 16 years.

My partner, Marco Leal's been at it 22 years.

Um, you know, we're th- the more we dig, the more we uncover.

And we met with two forensic pathologists, uh, Dr. Armando, who did the autopsy on the deceased military officer who got a scratch under his arm from the creature.

It wasn't anything malicious.

What do you think?

Are you hearing any rumblings from your sources, uh, that something big might be coming from the Pentagon?

So, uh, let, let me, let, let me back up for a minute, because I, I interviewed Gerald Ford on this topic.

Gerald Ford was the one that pushed for the first congressional hearings on UFOs after there was a landing in Michigan.

And there was the old, uh, you know, this...

The scientific advisor to Project Blue Book, Dr. Hynek says, uh, "Might be swamp gas," you know, and that, of course, blew up in their faces, and we ultimately had congressional hearings.

I interviewed Ford about that, and just before the interview he said, "I'll talk about the congressional hearings.

I'll talk about, you know, the incident in, in Michigan in 1966, but don't ask me anything about when I was president," giving me the impression that he was not happy with the answers he was getting.

And he said, he said, "Here's the lie." So, what do you make of this over the past few days?

Um, maybe you can just set the stage there for that.

Sure.

So, Sean Kirkpatrick ran AARO, which was the U- UAP task force, for a couple of years.

He was working closely with, with Senator Gillibrand, uh, and, and, uh, and I, I believe Rounds and, and Schumer.

But he was-- and I know this because I was working with firsthand witnesses that had already gone to AARO and testified in a SCIF, and given street addresses and names and locations of where this stuff is.

And none of those detailed reports, classified detailed reports, wound up being even part of the presentation that, that he ultimately gave.

I mean, it w- Sean Kirkpatrick, bless his heart, I'm sure that he had the DOD, like, you know, pretty much telling him h- how to do everything.

Yeah.

... huge asset to helping this as well.

That- that's a fantastic question and that's one of the, one of the things I've been addressing, because people, I think, are feeling really frustrated within the UFO community.

Like, you've gotten...

We've had three congressional hearings in the last three years, two of which we've had high-level intelligence officers testify to a bipartisan group of lawmakers, under oath, there are consequences for lying to Congress, under oath, that we have a crash retrieval program, that we are in possession of definitive proof that we are not alone, bodies and craft.

Now, those are some really lofty allegations that the implications are so profound that we owe it to ourselves to continue this push for transparency, support the lawmakers.

So, what I've been doing, I feature a couple of people that are apparently firsthand witnesses in the program, this film that, that I've got out right now, and I'm asking them, "It's really frustrating when you tell us there's so many things that you can't say on camera.

What is it gonna take?" And essentially the, what I'm getting is President Trump can wave the magic wand with an executive order and relieve us of our NDAs and free from violating our national security oaths, and I'll give you the street addresses.

It's all a PSYOP." When you've been so deeply involved in this for generations of research, what do you say to someone who says, "This is all a PSYOP," James?