James Fadiman

So let's get started.

The two most common protocols out there, I would say, are, uh, Fadiman, the Fadiman protocol, James Fadiman, and the Stamets stack.

Both of those are very, very popular.

They're very different from each other.

I'm gonna share both of those with you, and, and then I'll tell you what I think is perhaps the best.

So with the Fadiman protocol, uh, Dr. Fadiman recommends dosing on day one and then taking two days off.

Now, right now, we're not talking about how large your dose is.

We've already discussed that.

It's the same situation

as Fadiman, isn't it?

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Especially when I was doing the protocols, there's, there's two different protocols you can do.

One of them is the Fadiman protocol, which is one day on, two days off, and that was created by psychologist James Fadiman.

I guess that's how you say his name.

And then there's the Stamets Stack, and this is psilocybin plus lion's mane mushroom plus niacin, four days on and three days off.

We do have occasionally some things that we charge money for, our training if you wanna be a volunteer or just want more training in these areas.

We have a speaker series where we've had, we're gonna have Michael Mead and we're gonna have Jim, we had Jim Fadiman, we're gonna have Duncan Trussell.

Krishna Das, Chai Uttal, the usual cast of characters.

Well, I think we're done there.

Yeah.

Well, the first time I heard about the pineal was from Jim Fadiman.

Uh, we were both at Stanford at the same time.

I was an undergraduate, and he was on the faculty.

I was just kind of...

Or even, you know, be, you know, become a monk, you know, as it were, and just, you know, study my own consciousness.

You know, so, uh, I went to student health one day and the psychiatrist, uh, you know, looked at me and he said, "You should meet Jim Fadiman." You know, so, um, I did, and he said, "Look into the pineal gland.

You might, you know, find, you know, something interesting there." Uh, y- you know, the reason he mentioned the pineal was because I was, you know, thinking about, is there a part of the brain that's activated either from practicing particular types of m- meditation, and is that same part of the brain activated through taking psychedelics? You know, if you look at, you know, descriptions between the psychedelic state and some states resulting from certain forms of meditation, y- you know, they're quite similar.

Science doesn't have an answer for what is the correct frequency.

The two most common, I guess, ways of doing it, the quote unquote protocols, one is the Fadiman protocol, which is one day on, two days off.

That's named after Jim Fadiman, who was a pioneer of microdosing research in the first wave of psychedelic research.

And the other most common protocol, I think, is the Stamets

stack

If you take a gram of mushrooms today and again tomorrow, you really won't feel anything tomorrow.

You would want to have a break between doses.

So to me, the Fadiman protocol makes more sense.

Um, and, uh, at that time I was at, um, you know, Stanford University.

Jim Fadiman was there too at the time, you know, the king of microdosing.

Um, and I met Jim, and he said, "Look into the pineal gland." You know, this is 1972 or something.

Um, and so I had never heard of the pineal gland.