Yeah.

I think it's a fascinating juncture to be at, me being 45 at this moment in time and you asking me that question.

Because I came in, started experiencing the professional industry in the late 90s.

And the memory that comes to mind is going and sitting next to the... bbc big band when i was 19 years old sitting next to the bass player was a guy called roy babington um he would they were backing georgie fame i think um and i went and had a lesson with afterwards and he said and i said how much money do you want and you said i don't want any money um but do you know what isla is and it's a type of scotch And so I paid him in whiskey and spent a couple of hours hanging out with him.

And he was old guard which could earn a living purely from the gigs.

And so those guys which I saw, then there's my generation and then there's the young guys coming in at this moment in time.

And I think the interesting thing is going into the industry at that point, of early 2000s is I could look back and I was still fortunate enough to do some gigs with guys who were in their sort of 60s, 50s, 60s, 70s at that point when they would have been working in the 70s, 60s and 70s where the industry really in its heyday.

One, for me, one is, do you think, therefore, that it is really important these days, more important these days for musicians to have... like other skills like have that understanding of business how to you know that's the thing basically to have something else that's going to carry them through so they can't just be the classic exclusive well I'm just a musician