how do you build up your portfolio in that sense? Is it do you storyboard existing films? Do you work on short films like?

Yeah, actually.

Well, I went to Art Center College in Pasadena.

I was actually in the automotive design program there.

So it was which actually in a roundabout way really helped me my storyboarding because you kind of learn to think three dimensionally doing that.

So it's all three dimensional problem solving in that kind of design world.

And so when you think that way, it really helps when you're trying to draw or create spaces or blocking So you kind of automatically think three-dimensionally.

Is there, has there been like a really memorable sequence discussion? I mean, you've worked on so many incredible films, like, and with so many directors, so I'm sure this, that's a hard question, but.