Mm.

Sheen never used a note in his preaching, and he f- and w- since he was ordained a priest, he said, "I'm, I, I'm, I'm never gonna use a note.

I'm always gonna preach, um, without notes." And exactly the opposite of Newman, and both are considered great preachers, um, great orators, but just different styles altogether.

So, um, that's a great introduction to Newman, those sermons.

They're bite-sized.

You sit down.

Now, those, that's another thing.

What can Newman teach a parish that wants to form laypeople who will actually evangelize, not just, not just attend?

um, to that experience.

And I think, you know, we were counting up over the years, the program flourished mainly during the seventies and early eighties.

And we, we one time counted up over 300 conversions to the Catholic faith over those years.

So much so that the university of Kansas got a little concerned that, uh, maybe they were proselytizing classroom, a state university, but you know, they did actually had some hearings and the Dean of the college of liberal arts and sciences, uh, threw the case out and said, no, there's no evidence of proselytizing.

These are just students that have discovered the faith through reading literature, great literature and poetry.

And so, yeah, it was just tremendously successful until the professors retired,

Yeah, Our Lady of the Pilgrim.

Yeah, yeah.