What kind of negative voices are we talking about? Are we talking about external voices or internal voices?

Definitely both.

I, I struggle a lot with the internal voices prob- more than anything.

You may not know it because when I'm on stage, I'm the least anxious I've ever been, but I'm actually kind of ...

I lean more onto the anxious side.

All that self-doubt, sometimes it boils up and, you know, I remember being on the way out of the studio and, um, I was going back the day after anyway to, you know, start another session with the producer.

And as I was leaving I was just like, "You wanna just start this now?" And we just ...

Do you remember that, how that went, that kind of, "I'm giving this up to be a rock musician," how it went down?