So like, and, and, and if I'm, if I'm not summarizing things appropriately, what you're saying, but like, how do we, How do we actually define resilience? What should resilience be? What should it look like, right?

Yeah.

I'll try to answer both questions here.

I have some...

For another podcast, I have some very strong feelings about whatever critical and stress intervention was given to you because that sounds outside of how it should have been done, but that's just my opinion there.

But Ali's laughing because I always give big feedback about that.

Because you're right.

And what kind of tips or tricks would you give them for somebody who is just seeking out a mental health professional? And how can they find the right fit?