It's like actually probably you could step back and then you'll, that's when you'll go

forward.

And literally everything.

There's one thing I will say about that though, because there's not many, if you look at most successful entrepreneurs, they've all had that season.

And I think it's very easy to mimic the success.

And you see someone like Cal who now can, maybe he's not relaxed in the sense that he doesn't still tick the boxes, but maybe he's a bit more relaxed with his mind, same as us within business.

But we had that season.

what does what does the like definition of success look like to you now compared to maybe when you were thinking about being engineers like having that real traditional route to where you are now