... to stop drinking."

Yes, that's all.

Yeah.

So, uh, gosh, it wasn't too long after that the, uh, small team went out to Montana and went to one of David's four-day conferences, and it totally transformed the way I thought about teaching, learning, leadership.

It was a very memorable trip because of the conference that David ran.

But also, there were four of us.

We stayed up until 1:00, 2:00 in the morning every single night just talking about what we heard that day and what the implications were for the work we were doing.

Like, the buck stops here.

... drinking."

Yes, that's all.

Yeah.

So, uh, gosh, it wasn't too long after that the, uh, small team went out to Montana and went to one of David's four-day conferences, and it totally transformed the way I thought about teaching, learning, leadership.

It was a very memorable trip because of the conference that David ran, but also there were four of us.

We stayed up until 1:00, 2:00 in the morning every single night just talking about what we heard that day and what the implications were for the work we were doing.

The things that stood out to me the most were bringing joy and meaning back to learning, getting kids more involved in designing, redesigning the classroom system, their learning.

Like, the buck stops here.

So- How did you kind of stumble on this journey and said, "Hey, I had this idea." And then instead of how I, you know, when SmartFlow arrived and I was like, "I need to find a friend who's a developer," then you're like, "Hey, I can just build this." Tell us that journey and how did you arrive to the final product and what was the discovery kind of like?

Yeah, absolutely.

So being an independent practitioner, I've been using different AI softwares to help manage my personal workflow, and so especially lately I've been using Claude a lot.

And then with Claude, I've built some small little web apps to help me be able to use my workflow and really design it in a way that works for me and offload some of my personal workload.

And so getting comfortable with those platforms, I've just been looking for different ways to automate things to make it easier.

And so this started as, you know, I was giving out my phone number to clients, which I will say as a veterinarian, a risky move, but actually has been working okay for me so far.

I find that most clients have been pretty respectful of that time.

You know, like, what this work experience, life ex- experience as an independent contractor relief vet, kind of how that experience and that knowledge and what you learned there has translated into you arriving here.