Right

... like, when he was getting into writing, and I was very much more into my metal and, like, heavier kinda stuff, post-hardcore and, and it's ...

He c- like, it's like I'll come to him with a riff and it'll be, like, really heavy and he'll be like, "I don't think this is gonna work for Blight Town, but we will try something, and I will write something to it." And that's kind of how it ends up being the blend it is, and very, it's, like, the opposite way around as well.

It's like he will come to me with a riff and it's like, "It sounds really poppy.

We'll see what we can make it work as." And that's-

Yeah.

It's like, it's, it's hard sometimes to not have a song just sound like a collection of riffs.

That is like the nightmare that we kinda face with writing is we'll, we'll, like, come up with a chorus or we'll come up with, like, a section that we really like, and then we try and shoehorn in, like...