So what's your approach to building high-performance teams? What is it that you would look for that you can't necessarily see on a CV or a resume?

Yeah, absolutely.

So when you get a resume in, right, everybody's looks great for the most part, right? It's, it's hard to read between the lines and see kind of what they're trying to say through that.

So obviously we get into conversation with them, and what we wanna try to gauge is those soft skills, like I was saying earlier, right? Like, we, myself, at least, you know, when I'm building my team, I want somebody that obviously has the technical acumen, right? I mean, that's base one.

But we need to continue forward into do you like to teach people, right? Are you a leader in a department? Do you like to impart your knowledge onto others? And, and something that, you know, applicably, applicably, as we, um, build our team here at Shawmut, right, we're a brand-new department within a, a medium to large-sized company, right? And there's a lot of people who don't even know what a data center is, or if they do, they just see it in the news, right? And a lot of our charge as pre-con and, and building professionals at Shawmut is to teach and impart our knowledge on others 'cause like I said, everybody wants to be a part of it.

Every, every time I turn around somebody's like, "How can I help? How can I get in on this?" Um, so for me, it's, it's being a part of that team culture, right? Is I'm, I'm on the base-level understanding that if you're coming onto the team, you know enough about the industry to be able to perform the work.

But for me, I think it's being a leader, being a teacher, and, um, you know, you'll hear me say this a lot, being elastic and being adaptive, right, is, is what I always say.

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