When did you first come into understanding and recognizing that there was something here and that you wanted to work with it?

Well, I was teaching a course online before the pandemic.

And in that course, I was the title of the course was thrilled to be alive.

And it was a three week program where I was asking people to meditate 10 minutes a day.

And what was interesting is that about half the people said they didn't have 10 minutes a day to meditate.

They said, I just I can't do it.

So I suggested that they do what I called at the time a micro meditation, where you just meditate for 30 to 60 seconds by putting your attention on something that makes you feel better, makes you feel good.

You realize there isn't a threat where you thought there might