What are you seeing on both sides of that desk?

There's one thing that I see happening on both sides that's been very interesting is that small business, first of all, small business, let's start with the first thing you talked about.

You were talking about funding.

Funding has dried up in many ways.

In many ways.

That, I think, is its own monster we can talk about later, which is sort of a trickle down from the way our current administration deals with small businesses and funding.

There's something there I can't quite put my finger on that sort of devalues the mom and pop right now.

justice system as it were.