Our next guest, Jae Sung, actually introduces another flavor of openness in science, which is going to a random seminar.

My name is Jae Sung, and I'm currently, um, associate research scientist at Columbia University.

My passion is trying to use the approaches from synthetic biology to improve nanomedicine.

I've been doing this a lot more lately, where I just go to talks that has, like, nothing to do with my work or even field, but just, like, interesting in general.

Like yesterday, I went to this seminar on AI and music.

Yeah, I was like, "Oh, well, that sounds interesting," and I was getting a lot of stress.

I wanted to have some fun.

Uh-huh.