Tell us about, you know, in your career, what actually... gave you that joy that you were looking for? What was it that got you up in the morning and kept you excited about the things that you're doing amidst all the stress?

First, thank you for the introduction.

And Greg, thank you for having me on your podcast.

That's quite interesting.

Not something I do very often, but I'm enjoying the performance.

Well, Ray, you know, I was born and raised in a small mining town where the industry was important, but the community was very important as well.

And I was fortunate to be raised and started working in communities where people look after each other and spend time with each other.

It's funny, Greg, because, you know,