I think it's really important to just make clear that he knows exactly where the legal boundaries are.

Yes, of course.

We see in the beginning of the '90s that this outright Holocaust denial is not anymore a topic for the far right.

I mean, some ...

Of course, the lunatic fringe, as we call them, right, still, um, longing for the Holocaust denial, but most part of the far right stopped the Holocaust denial right at that point, or maybe a little bit before.

And the narratives they used under, uh ... after that really shifted towards more of, you know, denying perpetrator roles, trivializing the crimes, or maybe trying to trivialize them by comparison, right? There's the famous frame from the Bomben Holocaust, so, uh, trying to give a sort of false balance between the bombing of, for example, Dresden and the, uh, Holocaust, so the Bomben Holocaust, right? So these are rhetoric strategies we've seen over years and years.

And of course, the AfD tries to frame themself as a conservative party, as a party everyone can vote for.

Um, how does this resonate with people in the East?