Just, just, is that just a time thing or you wanna invest, or is it more of a passion thing?

Oh, the horses, like the two that I got, I've had them since they were two-year-olds.

Um, and I broke one of them in and sort of, they're sort of attached to them ones, and I might get a bit of foal, like a couple of foals out of them.

But sort of once I sort of went up north, I sort of got turned off horses a bit, and sort of especially once I got into dogs-So sort of I can work 10 dogs in the time I can sort of bloody saddle up a horse, so it's sort of, and the Did you...

Yeah, absolutely.

And being, um, in such an, like an area in Bathurst there where you are surrounded by like, you're in the Central West, so you got so many like of your mentors around, how, how did you go growing up where you knew just about no one? How, how did you handle that? It was a bit of an eye-opener.

Sorta, uh, it helped a lot having dogs, like I picked up a lot of work a lot quicker than probably anything.

That was actually Spider, wasn't it? The, the collie that you done well with that year.