That's right.

Yeah, step, step one.

Yeah.

[laughs] Step two, save it as a binary format Excel file.

So did all those things, you know, and had the pleasure of working on things like, you know, MDX and DAX along the way, which are both kind of like the modeling languages f- that are built into the Microsoft stack.

And kind of along the way through that journey, really kind of found my way towards using SQL for a lot of the work I was doing, and that just, that just kind of naturally came out of the data that I had was too big for Excel, and it was too complicated, and there was lots of really...

You know, I was just driven 100% on just like the business need for solving these problems, and I needed to get more robust tooling, and we had SQL Server and it had more...

But you're saying visualize the line- lineage, though, and the way it's calculated.

Mm

... with Jordan, for example, um, who's the MotherDuck CEO.

And we kinda like knew each other, but like, you know, I was doing finance and operations stuff.

There wasn't really a clear through line into what MotherDuck was up to.

Um, and then, you know, so, uh, uh, I was working, you know, run-running finance operations for like a Series A, uh, IoT company, you know, doing lots of data processing.

That's where I discovered DuckDB in the first place.

Um, and, uh, they had like a company meetup when they also at, at the same time did a, like a community meetup in, I think, April or May of 2024.

Mm-hmm.