Give us your rundown of why you made that talk.

Yeah.

So a kind of thousand-foot view of all of this is...

As, as we were saying, I, I went through and I'd grind out a lot of these Hack The Box challenges in machines to the point where I was pushing like top 20 globally.

And it was around this time that AI was becoming really prevalent.

Like before, you could ask it questions and you could look up information, but then it, it kind of entered the agentic phase where you just give it the problem and it just spits out the flag.

So you would see first blood times on all these machines in five minutes, 10 minutes, you know? And it's like, if you're doing this manually, that's enough time to run a scan and, you know, look at it.

Wow.

Um, so what are your thoughts on that? Because sometimes it can be challenging for these public-private partnerships to actually work in reality.

Yeah.

And personally, I think it's more, um, political posturing than anything.

I think that what might kind of, um, end up happening is more, uh, inter-organizational work between, like, Raytheon and Lockheed and these already cleared contractors that are already working closely, a lot of times already forward deployed with, um, these agents in the field.

A-and that just has to do with, like, clearances, right, a-and non-attribution.

You don't want attacks getting out very publicly that it was your nation state, you know, attacking another nation state, even if it is in response to something, um- A-a-a-and just private companies shouldn't be in that kind of foreign policy position anyways, where they're dictating kind of foreign policy through their actions t-t-t-to that extent.

So I think we're gonna see a minimal r-rollout.

And for those who are listening to our show and they want to also work on the offensive side, what's some of your advice to them?