I mean, did you have to have some courage the first time? Was it gradual? The stand you took and, and all that.

Right.

So I would say when I first started preaching regularly every Sunday, the first thing I realized, maybe the third Sunday in a row, was that I had run out of things I, I had to say.

That this...

You know, if I was gonna make a go of this every Sunday, it better be grounded in something other than Jake Dell's interesting insight of the week, uh, which is about as, as, is as far as most mainline pr- preachers go.

Uh, the best of them can pull it off, like a, say, a New York Times co- columnist can write an interesting column every week.

The best, the best mainline preacher can preach an interesting sermon every week.

Do you wanna say where?