I'm curious to your experience as a psychologist, when somebody comes to your office, when it comes to ADHD, what is that like breaking point, that habit that has genuinely gotten them to be like, I got to get help?

It's funny, but sometimes we might get to the point where the sessions are just them talking for the entire 60 minutes.

And they don't realize that they've been going at it for 60 minutes nonstop.

And they're like, why can't I? I want your help.

I'm here.

But I'm noticing that I just keep going and going and going.

And we talk a little bit.

What do you think about this little exercise? I hope that's OK.

Whoops.

[laughs] This is fun.

But, um, I, I think a really important question, I ask a lot of people this question.

Who were you, um, before your trauma? Or, or I might ask, who is the inner child that you're trying to protect? Um, because, you know, especially anxious attachers usually take this route of development.

But it looks like you were a, um, wonderful y- child that had this nervous system that was right in tact with reality.

We all start off with a, a, um, a healthy nervous system.

Um, whatever happens, trauma, you know, something happens that throws that off, and now you become addicted to dopamine, the chase of connection.

Yeah.