How do you evaluate them? You know, what, what is it that you go through, the steps you take, you know, either in the questions you ask or the exam that you do or tests that you might do that help you, number one, define what's going on and B, what you're gonna do about it?

In terms of the questions that I ask, it's a lot about, obviously there's a bunch of standard questions that we often ask for patients with pain about in terms of things like what makes it better, what makes it worse, do you feel it anywhere else? Does it radiate anywhere? Is it felt in one spot and sometimes you feel it all the way down your leg? You know, does it wake you up at night? You know, kind of key questions that are important in terms of, of pain in general.

And then, of course, if there are certain activities that make it worse, what are, what are those activities? If there's certain things that they can point to that make it better, what are those things? Because a lot of times the answers to those questions can help direct us in a diagnosis of what might be going on.

And so that's kind of usually where I'll, I'll start is asking them a bunch of questions about their pain in general.

Of course, asking their history, history of pain in, um, in these areas, like I mentioned before, sometimes is a risk factor.

And then, um, you know, and talk- of course taking a r- routine medical history of patients.

You know, luckily, most pregnant women come in and, and are pretty young and healthy and, and don't have a lot of major medical issues.

Aside from physical therapy, what other treatments might you recommend, um, like or other specialists who may get involved, um, you know, in terms of maybe like acupuncture or massage or medications? What else do you use in your armamentarium to help these women?