And so it feels at the times that we are in that there is an artistic and creative reaching towards collaboration between people.

Yeah, 100%.

I think there's definitely a zeitgeist of that.

Particularly, I feel that as a sound artist working in the performing arts, I definitely feel there's been a bit of a zeitgeist over the last, you know, maybe five years particularly of that relationship becoming more of a collaborative relationship as opposed to maybe making a score, which then a dancer kind of... does some choreography too.

A lot more I'm seeing a number of different artists around the country working in the way where they're very collaborative with the composer.

And there's a lot about that dialogue and that movement back and forth.

And I think I've always gotten a lot out of that process of actually being in the studio with the dancers.

so what is the journey through the piece like does it have a dramaturgy