jack um what can go wrong here from a security perspective starts with lots

Yeah, I was going to say that the question is usually phrased in a way that an analyst, I was a former analyst, can say it all depends, right? Or what could go wrong is everything.

Part of the issue is that identities are, it's a very complex topic.

I have a great example I always use to talk about these things, which is if you are an admin in an organization and you're tasked with like some like you're at a conference right now, somebody is going to your admins going to go and buy airline tickets for you and Alan and the rest of the crew to go to this conference.

So the admin fires up but doesn't want to do all the work manually.

So it's going to fire up an agent.

And that agents got to go talk to the airlines to go buy the airline tickets for you.

things that way.

Does that argument hold water with you? Is this something that the West is awake, as we say, with open source and open weight AI models? Or is this

just marketing? Well, it's not marketing nonsense.

It's driven by something else.

It's really not driven.

the china first or or east versus west depending how you want to look at it you know that that tension still exists and it's being driven i think at one level by really political and national interest concerns a lot of the movement towards open weight is being driven let's call it bottom up versus top down right the politics is driving from the top the open weight stuff is being driven sort of from the bottom and from the middle it's People who are experimenting or wanting to develop further on AI don't have the resources to be able to train full blown model.

They don't have a billion dollars to invest in the data center and all the machines.

So if they have somebody has done that and put that out and made it available, that's a basis for them to do stuff.

So they might be used for a couple of support functions, but it feels like to me we're a long way from home on this one.