Yeah.

And they completely trained there.

Uh, and I thought, "If I go to uni there, I'm gonna rub shoulders with them.

I could end up getting it." Like, that was my process of choosing the unis.

Uh, and I think that [laughs] my mum and dad were a bit worried by it.

Like, thinking, "You can go to, to any uni you want, and you're going to Chester Uni." And it was the Warrington campus, so it's a small campus.

I don't...

So what, what's the ambition going forward, mate? Uh, do you see Wigan as, like, you'll be there as long as they want you?

Here's how Jack responded.

God tells us to live by truth.

He says we need to know the truth, and the truth will set us free, and Jesus is the truth.

We got-- we just have to know Him, and we get to know Him better and more clearly through His Word, through good teaching, by spending time with Him.

And when the more time you spend with Him, the better you know Him, and you don't want to disappoint somebody you know well.

And it would have been a huge disappointment to Him if I'd have done that when He's given us the power to live by what He says.

And people want good news.

Mm.