jack obviously you and adam are friends so you saw this journey so presumably you knew exactly what to expect right

you know it's funny me and adam have been friends for how long have you been 10 12 12 years about 12 years now but best friends i was a groomsman at adam's wedding i've been friends with adam's wife charlie for longer than that and you see this journey but i think until you start your own journey you're not that you don't take it in but you're not really listening to it on that side of it you're listening to it as a friend and going i'll make that sounds tough and Charlie was in America and Adam was here working and hearing all of this, you know, I'm going to my wife, Amy, who's also best friends with the guys.

And you're explaining this, but in a sense of like, oh, that must be tough.

Not expecting that when you go through it, you go, wow, this actually quite a tough journey.

And at the same time.

You start IVF, you start the procedure, you start the journey.

It's expensive.

Jack did you find that where you were like how do I support Amy best?