Yeah.

And COVID made me stop and think, and think, "What do I actually want to do?" Um, and th- there are many things, you know, that I have so many interests.

I thought how...

You know, can I, can I monetize this? Can I do this, that, the other? It didn't matter how many times I went round in circles thinking, "I could do this, I could do that," it always landed back to real estate.

It always landed back to, "This is the, what I'm good at.

This is how I can earn the most money.

This is how I'm gonna see myself into retirement." But after COVID, the entire property landscape changed, and someone of my age, I'm not gonna tell you what it is, but most people know, um, rather than taking on executive level people in the big corporates, in the big five, for instance, they were shedding that, that, um, senior management, senior directorship level.

C- can you now go through your eXp journey and how it's built organically, and the, the awareness, and then, and then how your eXp journey, um, has, um, uh, played out?

But that doesn't help you get the best out of yourself."

Yeah.

Very true.

Yeah, I, I completely agree with that.

You're-- There's, there's always narratives around it.

I think, um, you know, I think the short format as well, I think if you're a young player now, not...

And this isn't just spin, this is all areas, and it's not just England, it's all countries.

... with white-ball cricket, what difference would that have made to you?

Did that give you encouragement listening to Keysy last week thinking, "You know what? I'm still the best spin bowler in this country"?

I don't think anything that's said changes where I'm at.

I just wanna control what I can control, and that's sort of trying to be the best bowler I can be.

I've gone away over the winter.

I mean, I had a good return last year, but I still feel like I can get sort of the ball coming out even better, and so that's been my kind of focus is around being the best bowler I can be.

And, uh, whether that be for Somerset or England or Taunton Deane Cricket Club, I, I honestly just want to enjoy the sport that I've loved for so many years and, and play as good a cricket as I can.

My experience with Baz and Ben is, was such a positive one, and we won a hell of a lot of games in that time and, um, I, I had a really positive experience.

Does that make sense?

What, what sort of conversations do you have in the, in the dressing room after a day like that? Is, is everyone sort of left alone or does the coach say something? Does the captain say something?

Um, yeah, I think, um, after a tough day like that, it's usually...

Well, someone will go and do the media, um, and then that gives you a sort of 45 minutes of sort of chatting in smaller groups, and, uh, Baz will get around everyone.

Um, and then, um, aft- after the, when everyone's back in the room, I think there will be an honest conversation about, um, the day and, um, that will include the, the positives and the negatives and, and mainly looking forward to tomorrow.

Obviously seven overs until the new ball.

Um, those seven overs are gonna be really important to get right.

Um, if you can pick up a wicket, that's huge and, um, but if not, how can you keep the run rate down, um, and then look to do the damage with the new ball.

W- what does he say in terms of the negatives about, you know, or, or saying, you know, y- "We need to do this better," or, "You need to do this better"? Does, does he s- say that to the players?

That, Jack Leach, is the ultimate compliment, isn't it?

Yeah, no, uh, definitely [laughs] especially those four guys you mentioned.

And, uh, yeah, I think, um, I would back that up massively.

Um, the last few years, I think he's been through some tough injuries, and I think that's made him sort of really focus in on, um, his fitness.

And, um, you know, he's als- always been the hardest worker in terms of in the nets.

And, um, and I think it's an understanding where he knows where he's gonna take his mind to in the game and, and how much he's gonna put his body through, uh, because of that.

So, um, there's that understanding that he needs to prep in the right way.

Obviously, no one is gonna wanna see them succeed more than you do.