And let me, um, if we go back to the report that we were talking about, Jack, what, what are your thoughts on, on the significance of, of this report?

Yeah, so a- a- again, quite similar to Richard, and I was really c- captured by the language as well.

This wasn't written...

So i- interestingly, um, I hadn't realized actually it was, it was written by the Joint Intelligence Committee, which is really crucial.

Uh, but this wasn't written by a newspaper.

This was like, you know, headlines that you might see in some of the newspapers, you know, and this was written by, by the government.

So this echoes really the significance and importance of this, really.

[laughs] Yes.

But Jack, soil is really important to us culturally, right? I mean, as I said, it's been important in history, but how long have humans been tinkering with soil? Oh,

thousands, tens of thousands of years.

You think about growing crops for agriculture.

I mean, it's a really important resource culturally as well.

So some interesting things that people have been doing is eating soil.

So it's called geophagy and they learned it from animals.

Quite often this is a practice across the world.

How do we know when we're getting it right, Jack?