yeah definitely um and in the process of making out the album did you learn anything about yourself not just as an artist but kind of as a person did you take anything away from the experience

Yeah, I took loads away from the experience.

I mean, aside from, like, actually being better at a lot of the things it takes to make music, I feel like I learned that I struggle to finish stuff.

Like, I have a bit of, like, an ADHD problem going on here.

I'm a bit undiagnosed.

I just can't start something and I put it down and move on to the other thing before that thing is finished.

And I just continuously do that.

Was there a defining moment with this project where you thought, I'm really happy with that? And what was that for you?

[laughs] Banger.

Banger.

What a banger.

Um, and yeah, so I'm in Sydney for a few years, and I, the, I mean, there's just so much to, to, to remember.

I haven't thought about this in a minute, but, um, I met my now management, who were my publishing at the time.

Yeah

... and so anyways, I've, I've...

I'm so grateful that I get to do this, and this is a reality.

Football's on all season long on ESPN and streaming on the ESPN app.

That's actually crazy.

[gentle music] See, I forgot about this song, and I can't believe I wrote that and then, like, showed my family that.

Made that song, left the studio at, like, 4:00 a.m. and I was like, "Okay, well, that's not gonna go anywhere.

That's way too personal." [laughs] You know, when I was looking at putting this record together, it felt like something that was really honest, and I thought it w- it was p- probably worth sharing.

So you're on the album.

Technically.

[laughs]

How long have you been working on this album for, Jack? And what do you learn about yourself through that process?

Well, other than my crippling perfectionism and my finishing problem, I feel like I've learned a lot over the process.

Just as a producer and a songwriter, I feel like I've gotten better throughout this process of this album.

But yeah, I think I really started pulling it together in the last two to three years.

But there's a few songs on there that were from five years ago.

So it's over the span of quite a long time.

But they've all been freshened up in the past year.

so many points.

How long have you been working on this album for, Jack? And what do you learn about yourself through that process?

Well, other than my crippling perfectionism and my finishing problem, I feel like I've learned a lot over the process.

Just as a producer and a songwriter, I feel like I've gotten better throughout this process of this album.

But yeah, I think I really started pulling it together in the last two to three years.

But there's a few songs on there that were from five years ago.

So it's over the span of quite a long time.

But they've all been freshened up in the past year.

so many points.

Talk me through your, you went Mackay to...

Finished Mackay, finished my school there.

Then I'm the baby of the family.

So I moved to Brisbane.

I started studying music there for a couple of months.

So you get, okay, you're going further and further south.

Yeah, I just keep making my way down.

Yeah, blind loving.

you have to, like, practice yelling?

Oh, I didn't practice.

Like, yeah, this was a very...

Came naturally.

It just came naturally, dude.

You know, life's hard, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, but you know that was a really like run-and-gun music video We kind of came up with that concept the morning of we were in Florence I believe shooting a few other music videos and we're like while we're here Why not just get one to look at you make it a really simple moment of like finding out this thing and it's just like kind of capturing me in this moment and I was like, damn, that means I'm going to have to actually act now and pull it off.

Tell me quickly about what this body of work means to you, Jack.

you have to, like, practice yelling?

Oh, I didn't practice.

Like, yeah, this was a very...

Came naturally.

It just came naturally, dude.

You know, life's hard, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, but you know that was a really like run-and-gun music video We kind of came up with that concept the morning of we were in Florence I believe shooting a few other music videos and we're like while we're here Why not just get one to look at you make it a really simple moment of like finding out this thing and it's just like kind of capturing me in this moment and I was like, damn, that means I'm going to have to actually act now and pull it off.

Tell me quickly about what this body of work means to you, Jack.

Now, for people who don't know, uh, Jack Gray, what is the Jack Gray story? Give it to us so people know.

I grew up in a very musical family, uh, just surrounded by...

You know, my, my dad was in a band, so I just grew up around music.

I went to college for about six months after school, and then I dropped out because I signed to a label, moved to Sydney for a year, then I moved to LA for a couple of years.

Yeah

And, um, and producing it, um, in, in my little bedroom in LA, and I'm, I'm super proud of it.

It's kind of just about my experiences of, over, over the last few years, and some things that I've been through, and yeah, I'm really proud of it.