How have you gone about selecting the artists who will play this good show on?

Yeah, I think, you know, the lineup is kind of a better reflection of what Potthoggan's sets out to achieve week in, week out.

So in terms of trads, it's still a huge part of the place.

We have Trish O'Dea and Bart Lever here every Monday.

And then we've John Lillis and the Sunday Spinner DJs and Ciaran McCormack and Shane Mahuna.

Club nights, live bands, open mics, quizzes, creative events.

So like what we're trying to set out with Cosh Anglin is just for it to be a reflection of what we do week in, week out.

And I guess when you approach all these artists, whether they're from Clare or elsewhere, are they delighted to play somewhere, a town or a venue that maybe they've never played before or rarely played, an opportunity to be put in front of a new audience?

How do we become good pickers? How do we establish that pipeline?

So the quality of the prospects that we go after? Yes.

So I'm going to make the assumption, Ed, that I've been in the business for some period of time, that I'm not a newbie.

And if I'm not a newbie, I should be able to look in the rearview mirror of the accounts that have been highly beneficial for me in the past.

Where are my best customers? What do they look like? And I'm going to build a profile of what that looks like.

Have you ever been in a situation where you said, gosh, if I had 10 more accounts like this one, it's game, set, match? Well, if you've ever been there, then what is that? What's the profile of that ideal customer? And once I have that profile, then I want to be diligent about, okay, let's narrow the focus and only go after that.

Let me give you a great example.

What does practice look like for salespeople? What kind of things did you do? Is this just

Woodhill,

the Woodhill, the performative dance scene, Mark.

It was like these people who it was actual families of three inmates that had committed suicide in the prison and they were interviewed and their stories were basically the dancers would dance to the speech interspaced with the music and it's really good it's building up and up and it's basically like who's to blame for this is it like the prison is the system and it's finally it's like oh it's us as a society like you know and you're leaving and you leave there with this like really really kind of harrowing thoughts in your head and you're ruminating.

It's like a silent mass procession.

We're all leaving.

And just quietly be like, maybe we're all implicit in this.

And outside, this guy is like, hey, do you want to come to my show? And it's a fucking alien stand-up comedy.

They don't get it at

Why is it so important to integrate these two systems together?

together?Yeah, so we have one person featured in the report, Sierra Hall, from the Kitasoo/Xai'xais territory.

And, you know, she, she's a s- she's a stewardship worker, and she talks about, you know, why herring are so important both to her, to her community, but also to her region.

So the, the herring stock that she cares about deeply is what DFO would call Central Coast herring.

That stock may not be critically depleted, but her bay that she lives in ha- hasn't seen herring in, in large numbers in many years.

And so one of the things that we can learn by pairing Western science with indigenous knowledge is by stop focusing just on the amount of fish in the water, but also focusing where they spawn, how many of them there are, how many age classes there are.

I think sometimes people can talk about holistic ways of knowing or indigenous knowledge as this thing that's a nice to do, not a need to do, whereas we see it as actually really practical steps to rebuilding populations to be, you know, in, within their historical range, to be fatter, to be healthier.

And do you find, in your experience, like when you, when we look at how fisheries management happens, do you find that it's ignored, uh, like, uh, just in your, in your discussions with indigenous people, uh, do you find that it's, that fisheries management in the past has ignored what they want or what they're going through at a lot of times in these coastal communities?

But for the fishers, like what is their position or stance on fishing? fishing these forage fish even though they know that they're being overfished are they actually going out and fishing less on purpose to make sure that the stock continues or are they worried that that DFO is not assessing them properly like what is their their view on the overfishing of these fish

um Well, you know, mackerel, I'll just go back to that because it's a really interesting population where it's actually fished by Canadians, by us, as well as Americans.

And so, you know, our stock is under a commercial moratorium.

We are still taking out 500 tons of it to use as bait.

So it's not insignificant.

I sometimes think people forget how much a ton of fish is, how many school buses, you know, are 500 tons.

It's quite a lot.

How could this affect them as we start to see these levels or seeing these levels of forage fish where they are right now?