Mm.

So I think the main thing is, like, like who do you wanna be as a person, like a man or a woman? Like who has shaped you? Like what do you admire in someone? Like, I can look at all the men that I feel like have shaped me and my life, like my, um, my dad and my uncles and my mates' parents, and all these men that, like, I've wanted to be like, that have been like navigational beacons for me, and little things that they do I admire.

And now as a man, like, that's what I wanna be, or these are things that I wanna do.

Or I grew up, my uncles used to hunt, and they used to provide, and they were hardworking.

And, you know, my uncle and my grandpa used to do leatherwork, and all these things that I've, like, taken little bits of admiration from and tried to make my own version myself.

So it's not that, like, oh, that, you know, surfing's cool, I'm gonna just go, like, pick up surfing, because everyone, like, you know, everyone surfs, and it's just an easy thing to whip into.

Like, if you, if you don't like surfing, like think a bit deeper about things you actually, that, like, like you're drawn to and that, like, maybe resonate with your soul a bit more.

No, I have not.