If you're not going to do that, how do you at least create better chances than long-range shots? Do we have to move the ball quicker or what?

Yeah, it's a tough one, really.

I think if the players are nervous, then that's a big worry, I think.

It's a part of the game.

It's a part of being a player, dealing with the pressure and I think if they're struggling with that, that would be a concern.

But in terms of the performance, I just think the way we set up or the way we have been set up recently, it doesn't feel like a really intensive style of play.

I think we're well-organized and we press, but it's not a really intense press.

Igor Cejic does come on and make an impact I think Jack obviously he scored at Villapar he was unlucky in this one one off the line and we'll talk about VAR briefly does he come into the team then or if you were in Ndoi's position would you want the backing of a manager and expect it or would you recognise that I'm just not playing that well?

Am I remembering that right? Yeah.

Yeah, so I was kind of just not playing under Chris Hewton at all.

He didn't fancy me.

And I remember Steve pulled me in early doors when he first was appointed and had a chat with me and almost maybe thinking I was a bad egg or something or being difficult and that's why I wasn't playing because he kind of said, you've played all these games in the Premier League, how are you not playing? So, I explained it to him.

He got me back in the fold.

And I suppose the rest is history.

But I always remember that chat.

So what do Forrest do, do you think, in that midfield to account for not having Elliot Anderson around?

But when you see those figures being bandied around, do you think he's worth that much or not?

I think, yeah, I think obviously the, the value and the figure, 100 million, it sounds outrageous, doesn't it? But that is just the times we're in.

I think you go back to when Shearer signed for 16 million, that would've been huge money then, you know? And, and what would a player like him be worth in this market? So I think we sometimes get lost in the figure, but in terms of what he is and what he can do as a footballer, I think it's at about the right value.

I think you always look for a comparison and, and that obvious one would be like, like Pete said, probably Declan Rice.

Um- You'd probably put Elliott Anderson on the same level as Declan, I would say.

Obviously, he's not won things yet, and Declan has.

But, um, yeah, I think the valuation is, is where it should be.

But in terms of, you know, recovering from missing a lot of games, how much did that take out of you?

I know he had really high standards and there's a lot of Town players who have come out in the past saying, you know, it was very difficult to work under, but how was it for you?

Yeah, for me personally, I've got nothing but respect for Roy.

He gave me that first opportunity in, in, at a first team level, obviously put trust in me, and that's probably the catalyst of, of where I, I ended up as a player.

So I've got the utmost respect for him.

I think as a manager I've, I've said before he struggled at times to probably contain his inner feelings.

I don't want to speak for Roy, but he just...

You talk about standards, he had the highest of standards.

And that was a time where, you know, Town, you know, you probably wanted to hopefully do it with Town when you were in the Championship, but you did it with Forest.

I mean, is that the highlight of your, um, career in a sense? This is what you've worked for, and y- you're just reaping the rewards for a day or two after.

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, that was, that was the moment.

We used to have a lot of meetings.

Um, the gaffer, Steve, used to really enjoy doing kind of team building stuff and meetings and letting the lads speak and, and getting everyone involved, 'cause often in a group of players you'll have, you know, three or four who will feel comfortable enough to speak in a, in a group, and most of the other lads will stay quiet.

So we used to like-[clears throat] To get everyone to kind of feel comfortable to, to talk and, and express their opinion, and we used to do a lot leading up to the, the playoffs.

[clears throat] And I remember saying to the lads, "Look, this is the...

So, um, why, why kind of pull the trigger on that decision now? Was, uh, it something you just felt like you needed to do?

The other six-pack.

That was alright, yeah.

Looked well.

Thanks, Paolo.

Nobody ever beat him? Nah, never.

He was a joke.

In terms of fitness-wise, he was probably in his 40s, I don't know.

Any fucking chance, Dad? Yeah.