What actually happens in those rounds in the camp? What was kind of your recollection of that experience?

We're going back some years now.

So we got over to Vegas as a sparring partner.

I think he has 10 sparring partners at any one time.

But till Monday, Wednesday, Friday, he'd be in the gym, three o'clock, four o'clock, be hitting the bag.

And then he would roll in in his super car, loads of entourage.

And he would go...

But for Jack, they're big experiences.

Do you think it's all about him trying to search for those big fights? Or do you think there's a part of him that doesn't want to fight you, that doesn't like the style matchup?

It could be a bit of both.

I don't read into it too much.

Um, I've shown the respect.

He was a great fighter.

Um, I had the fight in May and I put myself in a position on the promise of, of getting a crack at the super, super version of the WBA world title.

That's now been ordered.

why does he continue to refute the idea that you're the mandatory? Like they, they, they claim to have like paperwork and letters, even though I know what the WBA said yesterday, why do they continue to sort of say that this isn't the case?

Did you

think that before the fights? Yeah, firstly, I think you can't deny anybody going out and making a living.

He's put himself in a position.

He's worked hard for it since turning professional.

He's been dedicated to the sport.

So you've got to commend him on that.

But for me, the frustrations come how you've not boxed that weight category over two years, and you're jumping straight in for a WBC world title fight.

I

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but it feels good.

Um, there was a lot of emotions, um, a couple weeks ago when we was out in Giza, but it was a, it was a nice feeling, um, I was just over the moon.

Finally got my piece of the puzzle.

Yeah

...

I wasn't confident Haney was gonna, um, accept the fight straight away.

You went into what was supposedly a 50, 50 fight and really showed what you could do.

Yeah, it was, um, So I was mandatory for the WBO title, or at least I was number one.

And I found myself in a tricky position where you've got Devin Ainey as the WBO champion.

I was mandatory for the WBO at 140 some years ago.

And I was chasing the belt and it went from Maurice Hooker, Ramirez, Taylor.

And I got sat out for quite a while.

So when I become... number one in the WBO, I was told that it could be up to a year before they call the mandatory, which sucks really.

Are you staying with Swifty now? Is this the team?

Did you watch his fight with Esserman?

I did.

Esserman was down in the gym.

I think I did two spars with him for the fight.

They travelled up to Manchester.

He was respectful.

I sparred him and I was interested.

Like there is an argument that it's down to the media to, to educate fight fans more thoroughly than just say, yeah, look, let's, let's get rock and soccer robots in and see who's the last one standing.