Yeah.

Lots of folks tell those stories.

What I am saying is, we don't have any definitive proof that they literally happened.

These are stories about individuals who, by the way, after, uh, forsaking the Savior, [laughs] it's interesting that they forsake.

They, when He was alive and they could say something, they were like, "Not me.

I don't want that to happen." But then all of a sudden the story is that after His death, after seeing Him risen, now all of a sudden they actually, um, go to their death in these painful ways because they are true believers.

There is nothing that we can find, um, tangible, um, material culture, material sources for any of those things.

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