Walk us through who the Stoics were, like where does it start, and what was that school essentially devoted to trying to figure out?

I think when we hear the word stoic or use the word stoic to say so-and-so has a stoic temperament, we usually sort of think of them as someone who endures hardship without batting an eye.

They're not emotional.

They're very much in control of themselves.

And that's both true and not true.

Stoicism has its roots in a figure by the name of Zeno, who lived around the year of 300, so 100 years or so after Socrates.

And the view that he articulates is very different, say, than what Socrates taught.

We don't always have to fully embody for it to be true.

So choose your own adventure on your example.

Sure.

I remember one time I got a call from a program director at one of the NPR or one of the national public radio shows.

And they were going to do a show about a minister somewhere in the Midwest who was coming up on heresy charges.

And the person who was talking to me was just like, well, of course, this is something that's ignored.

And this is something that's passe.

And I was saying, no, no, no.

Yeah.