Part of the work Bob did was infusing their personal politics into the flows of funding.

I understand liberation or the verb of liberation, of seeking liberation, as a technology and deployment of technology.

And so while I was, so I had always been that nerd.

And so my filmmaking was always tied also to technologies.

And so while I was at Astraea, I developed something called the comms labs, for human rights defense.

And so that was bringing human rights defenders and technologists and healers and artists together around the world.

I went on from Australia to then become the Senior Vice President of Global Programs at the Mozilla Foundation.

think there's that