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I'm, I'm smiling just hearing the, the, the, the passion in your voice when you say that because it is like being a child again because, you know, I, I used to love as a kid just, just running.

I, I then found out, actually, I'm quite quick at it, and then it became like a playground war against my mates who was the fastest, and then it turned into a career, which I never dreamt it would.

But even now, there's something magical about just going for a run.

And, and a lot of times I won't even plan my route.

I'll just say, "I'm feeling quite good today.

I'm just gonna run and see what happens." And, you know, I, I might bump into other people on the run and say, "Morning," and, and they'll smile at me, and we'll smile back.

And I think that's one of the good things about rus- running is it's so accessible, isn't it? You need a pair of good trainers, and that's about it.

they can find your other one.

Well, if you enjoy four wheels like I do, and you like two wheels, then tune into Full Chat.

So it's myself and David Pratton, ex-footballer, and, um, just talking about our love of motorbikes, and I was into bikes before cars.

Like, I, that's my dad's fault.

He's into motorbikes.

And yeah, we have wonderful guests every week where we just talk about their bike history, what makes biking so unique and so special.

It's, it's, it's, it's a hard one to explain if you're not into bikes, but there's something very beautiful about putting that helmet on, shutting the visor, being at one with your- yourself and just going wherever you, you wanna go.

Oh, wow.

So I guess what did that feel like to be kind of on top of the world and then how you kind of dealt with that day to day to feel that kind of superpower, I guess?

I never saw myself as anything special at all.

I don't.

I just saw myself as someone who, in sport, it did happen really quickly, like 1992 World Junior Champs.

I'd only run like one 400 or two 400s before I got selected.

It was like, wow, straight from school sports day.

And all of a sudden, it kind of happens quite quickly.

That's all it was.