And so let me stop talking here and just sort of ask you, can you tell that sort of story of your journey and how your thinking on compensation has evolved?

Yeah, so thank you for that intro, and I dearly love Stacey and Josh, and your article was brilliant as well.

And I changed my position on the topic several times, and I think it really depends on where people sit and where they're looking at this problem from.

If you're Josh, who is all about positive psychology, culture, and amazing things that he's doing in our industry, I think there is the angle from that side.

If you are an operator of a network of hospitals or individual hospital, and you're responsible for payroll, and you're responsible for product performance, activity and production, you might be looking at it from a different side.

And I think that the answer is somewhere in the combination of the two.

But the convincing factors for me were not just hypothetical from my research.

How did you start to innovate and iterate from that point?