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... what to say to you.

You think it's just the grind, uh, to prove how tough you are, you, you've made a hu- a huge mistake.

It, it's, it, it, it's, it's none of those.

But anyway, he's, he's, he's a young guy and he, he likes to sort of get stuck on certain things.

And, um, and I said, "No, it's all of those.

You're not wrong, but you gotta, gotta enjoy it.

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amplified this.

One, we got static as a whole, that's number one.

Number two, civil rights, human rights, I was referring to this, and it seems a little abstract, but I really believe it's not.

human and civil rights.

There's decency there, a legal precedence to give people, in theory at least, and hopefully in practice, that you count as a person you count and no one has a right to blah, blah, blah, violate your space, violate whatever, except you're walking through a door and you're bowing and you go into an environment where Where are you going to move now? So where does that lay? And if you can't drop some of that and recognise you're in a different, call it a different universe, a different bubble, where the rules are a little bit different.

And then, of course, there's a, how shall I put this? Is it a red line? Maybe not that drastic, but some people, when they are moved and it comes as a shock and hence getting emotional, is maybe on some level they feel like they've been violated.

How dare you, you know, or feel humiliated or embarrassed even.

They're also independents, aren't they? Well, I'm leading