Yes.

So, uh, I started to, to, to read Yannaras' word about, uh, metanoetic.

And he s- he said something like, "When you share out your soul freely, voluntarily, and you throw off every conceptual clot of self-defense, you arrive to a metanoetic that is share out your soul..." Uh, sorry.

"Is a mental product of love." So it's not like enter in this, in this pilgrimage and allowing this big conversation.

It's a, a voluntary act.

Like, you need a lot of agency to empty yourself, to open yourself.

[laughs]

... with your work.