How much of that was from preparation? How much of it was instinct? And how much of it was just really good play calling?

Uh, I'd say it's a mixture of all of them.

I mean, we, when you got great plays, I mean, the play before halftime was a great play.

Get me open.

Uh, Jackson throws a great ball.

I was just happy enough to score a touchdown.

And then, uh, the rest of the plays, you know, just coming off of me and Jax just seeing defenses react to the ball.

Like, literally everything that hasn't gone right for three years went right.

How much of that was from preparation? How much of it was instinct? And how much of it was just really good play calling?

Uh, I'd say it's a mixture of all of them.

I mean, we, when you got great plays, I mean, the play before halftime was a great play.

It gave me open.

Uh, Jax threw a great ball.

I was just happy enough to score a touchdown.

And then, uh, the rest of the plays, you know, is just coming off of me and Jax just seeing defenses react to the ball.

The balance, how important is that for you to be able to get things clicking in the passing game when you know the ground game is going good?

How is that different with a younger quarterback, I guess, for you as a little bit older? Um, just trying, like the process, I guess.

Uh, I'll say really just, you know, when you're with a old, older quarterback or a guy that's played a lot more ball, they've probably seen it one, once or twice.

So really just them being able to see it from their point of view, uh, being able to see it from good ways that things are done, bad ways, and things that improved on to help them have cleaner looks.

So, so with Jax, it's just, you know, having from my point of view seen it a couple times, where he has probably hasn't seen it yet just, you know, coming off a rookie year, to saying like, "Hey, I've done it this way.

Do you like it this way?" Or having him saying, "I've seen it on film this way.

I kind of like you in this spot." And so, so really just seeing the best things and going from there.

How c- can you two help each other as receivers in terms of, you know, drawing attention away from each other?

Um, well, I can say that I, I've, like watching him out there definitely running routes, I see why he's the alpha receiver that he is.

Were the Giants and playing with Jackson Dart, was that ever on your radar before John Harbaugh signed on to be the head coach here?

here?I mean, I didn't really technically, like, have a mantra of, like, teams obviously that I wanted to go to.

I just told my agent, like, "I just want to be on a team to just let me be me, let me blossom, and let me just show the world, like, really what I'm capable of." And then as, you know, the, the process went on, you know, everything started coming about, uh, started diving in on quarterbacks, and then that's when I got on the radar.

Jackson, a couple of other guys, but I feel like I'm good where I'm at.

How different, especially playing with Mark Andrews for all those years, how different do you expect your role to be in this offense?

Uh, I mean really just, you know, just being that chess piece I keep telling everybody.

You know, playing where I fit in, whether it's in line, in a slot, in the backfield.

Uh, really just, just showing what I am, what I'm capable of, and I feel like, you know, day in, day out, I've been proving it.

Were the Giants and playing with Jackson Dart, was that ever on your radar before John Harbaugh signed on to be the head coach here?

Uh, I mean, I didn't really technically, like, have a mantra of, like, teams obviously that I wanted to go to.

I just told my agent, like, I just wanted to be on a team, to just let me be me, let me blossom and let me just show the world, like, really what I'm capable of.

And then as, you know, the, the process went on, you know, everything started coming about, uh, started diving in on quarterbacks and then that's when I got on the radar, Jackson, a couple of other guys.

But I feel like I'm good where I'm at.

the Giant tight end lineage here with some of the great tight ends? I mean, because, you know, the old, the old heads will love you if you're a great pass-catching tight end here.

Yeah.

I mean, I talked to Shockey a little bit at Tight End U, uh, this year and last year, which was great.

Were the Giants and playing with Jackson Dart, was that ever on your radar before John Harbaugh signed on to be the head coach here?

Uh, I mean, I didn't really technically, like, have a mantra of, like, teams obviously that I wanted to go to.

I just told my agent, like, "I just wanna be on a team to just let me be me, let me blossom, and let me just show the world, like, really what I'm capable of." And then as, you know, the, the process went on, you know, everything started coming about, uh, started diving on quarterbacks and then that's when I got on the radar, Jackson, a couple of other guys.

I feel like I'm good where I'm at.

How different, especially playing with Mark Andrews for all those years, how different do you expect your role to be in this offense?

Uh, I mean, really just, you know, just being that chess piece I keep telling everybody, you know, playing where I fit in, whether it's in line, in a slot, in the backfield, uh, really just, just showing what I am, what I'm capable of.

And I feel like, you know, day in and day out I've been proving it, uh, being on the same, you know, mantras as Jax, whether it's in the film room, on the field, uh, off the field, and really just, you know, building that connection so when it is time, those plays do need to be made, I can show what I am.

giants tight end isaiah likely joining us right now on the show and i know you're tight end but you you're you're a receiver so tell me about the group of receivers that the giants have and what do you see in them and we haven't seen neighbors yet you know in a game or anything like that they're taking him slow but we know he's got some serious talent you got some vets in that group as well so what do you see around you

yeah i mean uh You know, me just being me, I just, wherever the play tells me to go, that's where I go.

Whether it's tight end, slot, at X, at Z, in the backfield, it doesn't really matter.

I just tell Coach, let me go ahead and get in the play and let me fit in where you put me for a matchup.

But like you said, Nabors is electric.

He's one of one.

I mean, he's the alpha receiver that you want.

How comfortable were you? And was it hard for you? Just on a human level, how big a change has it been driving four hours up 95 to come be a part of this market?

So can you take us inside the mind of a tight end on the field on a Sunday? Like, because you know that you're not just looking to catch passes.

For sure.

And I say, you know, the emphasis, you know, in our room is when you're 111.

And I mean, whether that's in the blocking game, whether that's in the pass game, whether that's in the pass protection game, whether that's anywhere on the field, because football's, Traditionally into segments and situations.

So, you know, when you're up on when you're up in Baltimore, it was a lot, you know, last year, whereas four minutes ago.

Well, a lot of teams in four minutes know that you're going to run the ball.

So it's now it's a willing on.

What was it like being next to Lamar for four, I don't know if you have any perspective that maybe the average A fan, someone like me, wouldn't have that something you see in practice that just like, that makes you say, wow, that just the rest of the world doesn't even see.

So can you take us inside the mind of a tight end on the field on a Sunday? Like, 'cause you know that you're not just looking to catch passes.

For sure.

And I say, you know, the emphasis, you know, in our room is when you're 111, and I mean...

And whether that's in the blocking game, whether that's in the pass game, whether that's in the pass protection game, whether that's anywhere on the field.

Because football's traditionally into segments and situations, so, you know, when you're up on- when you're up, we're, we're, uh, in Baltimore, we was a lot, you know, last year, where it's four-minute drill.

Well, a lot of teams in four-minute know that you're gonna run the ball.

So it's, now it's willing on, okay, how do we get those two first downs to end the game? So now it's, we're in heavy personnel, where you have at least three ti- tight ends on the field, counting Patrick, Pat Ricard, and how you get those two first downs to get in victory formation to end.

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What y'all got down there going?

Man, I'm trying to tell, bro.

When I tell you my junior year, 2020 COVID, that's probably, like, when we started, like, really, like, putting the world on notice that, like, a G5 team could really come up in here.

Obviously Cincinnati had made the playoffs, but, like, we was, like, one of those teams that beat...

We beat BU- BYU that year.

We had a good game with App State.

We beat App State that year.

He know ultimately that's how he's gonna be measured.

What y'all got down there going?

Man, I'm trying to tell you, bro.

When I tell you, my junior year, 2020, COVID, that's probably like when we started like really like putting the world on notice that like a G5 team could really come up in here.

Obviously, Cincinnati had made the playoffs, but like we was like one of those teams that beat...

We beat B- BYU that year.

We had a good game with App State.

We beat App State that year, and like we...

He know ultimately that's how he's gonna be measured.

Sure.

For sure, I mean and that's really just, you know, just always just remaining where your, where your feet are and understand that, you know, God don't put you in no movement but th- where your feet are right now.

And I feel like this, you know, the circumstance I was, you know, just drafted where I was, you know, I promised EDC, you know, when he took me, like all the other 31 teams that passed upon me they're gonna regret playing me time in and time out.

You know, and that was just, you know, the motto I had my whole, you know, rookie contract and now just getting into, you know, the opportunity that I have now is just really just being that chess piece in the offense whether I'm out wide in the slot-

He knows ultimately that's how he's gonna be measured.

For sure.

And I say the first thing that we all talk about is just stop being ourselves.

I mean, that's just, you know, the one thing that I can say off the top of my head that since I've been on the team, that's just what we've been doing.

What y'all got going on?

Man I'm tryna tell bro when I tell you my junior year, 2020 COVID, that's probably like when we started like really like putting the world on notice that like a G5 team could really come up in here obviously Cincinnati hadn't made the playoffs but like we was like one of those teams that beat-- We bebui- BYU that year.

We had a good game w- at State.

We beat Ad State that year and like we like we started picking up games, picking up steam.

I mean we had a great quarterback in Grayson McCall.

We had a great defense.

We got about two other players in the league right now that's playing currently CJ Brewer and Teron Jackson on teams.

He knows ultimately that's how he's gonna be measured.

What y'all got going in your arm?

Man, I'm trying to tell you, bro.

When I tell you my junior year of 2020 COVID, that's probably like when we started like really like putting the world on notice that like a G5 team could really come up in here.

Obviously Cincinnati had made the playoffs, but like we was like one of those teams that beat...

We beat BY- BYU that year.

We had a good game with App State.

We beat App State that year and like we, like, we started picking up games, picking up steam.

He know ultimately that's how he's gonna be measured.

What y'all got going on?

Man, I'm trying to tell, bro.

When I tell you my junior year, 2020 COVID, that's probably, like, when we started, like, really, like, putting the world on notice that, like, a G5 team could really come up in here.

Obviously Cincinnati had made the playoffs, but, like, we was, like, one of those teams that beat...

We beat BU- BYU that year.

We had a good game with App State.

We beat App State that year.

He know ultimately that's how he's gonna be measured.