That would be my, like, start, start, I guess, post-grad school.

Yeah, I guess, yeah, like, my first experience with, like, filmmaking was, like, in college with, like, taking weird video art classes.

I went to, like, a liberal arts college.

And it was, like, very much, like, do not do things with a narrative approach.

And then like simultaneously I had an internship in college where I like I went to college like 50 miles outside of L.A. and so drove into L.A. for this like internship with a production company and was just like sitting in an office reading scripts and sort of doing whatever they wanted me to do.

So it was cool seeing the two sides.

Yeah.

So when did that happen for you guys?