What should we be looking for, you know, beyond funding, numbers of partnerships, completed activities? What makes a project successful in your mind?

Well, I suppose I would think beyond the student K, because the K project, if we think about it again, I think there's different focuses that project have.

And that will be part of whatever the success is.

In a way, it's like, what is it you're aiming to do when you start the project? So it really kind of depends on the category.

For example, if it's a project that is very much around student oriented, the idea of employability in a broad sense.

Right.

I'm not trying to think of it, but it's like thinking about opportunities for students and skill development.

But because you mentioned earlier about building trust and relationships with the partners, Are there any ways that we can ensure that the external partners, the communities, whoever is the partner we are bringing to the subject, do they benefit as much as the university does? And how can we ensure that?