Do you know what I'm, I'm getting at here?

Well, you know, some people are afraid of it, right? You know, and then they, and they're just not really, they don't really want to.

So, all right, let me back up.

We are all souls living a human experience.

We all have our intuition and the ability to connect with people that are on our, you know, our loved ones that have transitioned, you know, to connect with the angelic re- realms, and our guardian angels, and all the angels that are around all the time guiding us and protecting us, and moving us, helping us move through life.

So when you're open, it's like taking yourself to the gym, right? When you go to the gym and you're working your physical body, right? And it, w- we wanna lose weight, we wanna look good, we have to go to the gym.

Same thing with intuition, right? You have to take your brain to the mind gym.

Oh, heck yeah

Um, my question for Irene would be this: so when you, uh, uh, and we've, we've already discussed this, I'm, I'm almost certain, but when you've made that, that, w- call it a leap, into the spiritual realm, how was that for you? Were you dealing with some of the same things that, that Martha was describing or experiencing?

Well, yeah.

I mean, I'm like you, Martha, you know? I'm, I...

My logical mind, you know, being science-based and everything has to be proven and you have to show me and, and, you know, um-I was very much like that, you know, and I was living at that time in my humanness, right? We were caregivers, we were...

My behaviors, my beliefs, my identity was always wanting to do for people and help and care for.

And then when you step into the 5D and above, like the spiritual realms, is you really start using your right side of your brain, right? You know, y- I shut off my logical mind and I open up myself up to spirit, because you can't get there using that side, right? So when you go within and you, and, um, what I always say is spirituality is different than religion.

You know, we're taught to believe certain things as, you know, whatever our culture is or our, um, you know, our family upbringing.

[laughs] That's right