You're basically

Aristotle of the 90s.

No, like it's funny, like years ago, sometimes I tell this thing I'm about to tell you, sometimes I tell this on stage, but it's a true story.

And like years ago, when I was married to Anahid, we lived across the street from the seminary on the West side.

And every night I would take out our dog and there was this guy named Joe Derbis.

who was a seminarian.

And, you know, you see people every day and you're like, he had a dog, I had a dog.

It's such

It's Bridget and Ryan from Million Bazillion.

Well, well, if it isn't Million Bazillion, trying to win the foosball tournament yet again, are we? That's very cute, but you know, with This American Life's giant budget behind me, I'm sure to win.

So there.

You think you're gonna beat my team with your lovably imperfect ragtag group? Huh.

You're dreaming, especially after I snagged your star player.

[gentle music]

[laughs]

Because I had no interest in raising children.

Like, I real- I just really didn't think about it, and I think part of that really was a kind of immaturity.

Like, I was, like, a kid who was, like, 14 who really loved making stuff, and then I just kept making stuff.

Like, I was 18 or 19 when I started working at NPR.

You know what I mean? Like, I was a kid.

I had, I had been doing magic shows four years before that at kids' parties.

But had you thought that, you would have thought, "That's incompatible with the job I'm doing because the job as I'm doing it requires a level of presence and attention where you'd either have to be [chuckles] kind of not a great father or have a very different relationship to your work"?